United States Teacher handcuffed, arrested after questioning school board about superintendent’s contract.

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  1. Feanor

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    Teacher handcuffed, arrested after questioning school board about superintendent’s contract.

    A teacher asking tough questions of school board members in the Vermilion Parish School District in Louisiana was escorted out of the meeting by a security officer and handcuffed on the floor and arrested, videos of the event show.

    Deyshia Hargrave, an English language-arts teacher at Rene Rost Middle School, asked board members Monday night why they were planning to vote to give Superintendent Jerome Puyau a raise when teachers had not had a pay increase in years. The meeting and arrest were videotaped by a crew from KATC-TV, as well as by someone else who was present,

    School Board President Anthony Fontana said in an interview that the security officer did nothing wrong. “He was just doing his job,” he said.

    Other members of the board and Puyau did not respond to queries about the arrest. Hargrave was at Rene Rost teaching Tuesday, according to a school spokesman, but the school would say nothing else about the case. A spokesman for the local marshal’s office could not be reached for comment.

    Hargrave waited to be called on to address the board. When she first spoke, she talked about why she did not want the board to give the superintendent a raise and said this about teachers in the parish, a unit of government similar to a county:

    “We work very hard with very little to maintain the salaries that we have. And as I’ve been teaching the last few years I’ve seen class sizes grow enormously. . . . It’s a sad, sad day to be a teacher in Vermilion Parish.”

    Her comments about the raise were ruled out of order by Fontana, who said Hargrave could not ask questions and expect answers during the public comment period. While some in the audience took issue with that, she sat down and the meeting went forward.

    Hargrave was called upon a second time for comment. Again, she asked board members how they could raise the salary of the superintendent when teachers and students did the work in the classroom, again noting that educators were not getting pay increases.

    Then, a security officer from the marshal’s office in Abbeville, La., walked up to Hargrave and asked her to leave repeatedly. They argued and at one point, the officer put his hand on Hargrave’s arm. She pulled back and soon left. The video does not show what happened immediately after the two got into the hallway but she can be seen on the floor, being handcuffed. She was then arrested. According to KATC, she was booked into the city jail on charges that included resisting an officer. She paid bond and left.

    According to Fontana, Hargrave had violated rules of the meeting. He said she was arrested because she started a skirmish with the officer in the hallway. Fontana said he had left his seat and gone to the door after Hargrave was led out of the meeting and saw the start of the skirmish, which was not shown on any of the videos.

    Puyau told KATC that the school district was not going to press charges against Hargrave and that he told police the same thing, but the teacher was booked anyway. She could be tried on the charges without the cooperation of the school board.

    Here’s a video of part of the board meeting leading up to the arrest. It is 12 minutes but worth watching.



    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...es-the-riveting-video/?utm_term=.20a53b1d9b01

    Personal Comment: I have to be honest, the standards for police conduct in the US always looked fishy, and to me this is another example of that.
     
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    why is this even worth mentioning this news seem
    irrelevant
    its just some school board being a jackass like most of the time
     
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    this is why schools should be managed at a state or federal level.

    localism breeds the worst forms of corruption .
     
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    'Merica
     
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    The salaries of administrators and the ratio of admins to teachers is dumbfounding. The administrators decide how any money coming into the school system is spent, and--SURPRISE--they always spend it on themselves. Also, they fall under the umbrella that is the teacher's union, so good luck getting rid of them... If you can't even get rid of pedophile teachers because of the teacher's union, how can you get rid of corrupt administrators?
     
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    Most people don't accept Lithuania-tier standards for civilization as the desired norm.
     
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    Sounds like I should get into school administration.
     
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    Definitely the communist's dream, lol.
     
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    Our school system laughs at your school system in the school playground.

    At least this will draw attention to the issue, though?
     
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    Nothing to do with localism as there are hundreds of school districts in the country with no issues at all.

    You won't solve anything without going after public sector unions.
     
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    I know in California, at least, schools are funded via property tax--making schools in Beverly Hills quite good, while schools in Compton are shit. Localism and other things, certainly, play a large roll in the inequality among schools.
     
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    European schools aren't successful because the member states ceded their educational programs to central EU political entities, rather, students in Europe can attend any school they choose within their state, regardless of income or geolocation. I am in favor of school choice because it breaks the school geographic monopolies that form for education and force educators and administrators to actually produce results with the fear that a student might leave, and their funding with them.

    https://www.edchoice.org/school_choice_faqs/how-does-school-choice-work-in-other-countries/

    Everytime we have this conversation on Diplo, the surprised Euros come out of the woodwork confused and unaware that we have no semblence of school choice here in the US.
     
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    In Australian public schools wages are set and funded on a statewide level . A local administrator cannot simply set his wage to whatever he likes . Public sector wages are set by a independent commission. While unions and the government can submit request to the commission they cannot dictate the outcomes . However for the most part the commission only ever raises wages to keep up with the cost of inflation which is around 2%. This guy got a pay increase of like 20% which is impossible under our current system .
     
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    When you say "state" do you mean country, or do you mean state, like Bayern in Germany?

    I went to private school pretty much my whole life, and I don't think any vouchers or credits would be enough to cover the total tuition, leaving the best educational institutions out of reach of the needy. It's not like anyone can just go to any school they want for free. When I did an exchange in Germany, it was with a fellow Catholic school, and the parents had to pay to send them there.

    I think comparing the US to the entirety of the EU is kind of ridiculous. Not only is the EU composed of countries with vastly different languages and cultures, by and large, their public transit always trounces ours. How can you have more competition with a school across town if the kid can't even get there?

    What do you mean by geographic monopoly? I wasn't in the public school system as a kid so I genuinely don't know what the deal is.

    Schools have a limited number of slots. Why would anyone want to go to a shit school? Yet, not everyone would be accepted in better schools. You'd get the students who were already left behind in the shit schools, and then you'd rob those schools of funding, making them even worse. School choice as it exists in America has already proven to have negligible results, while gutting funding for public schools. I read a study--I forget which state it was--but they have had school choice for years without the results they claim.

    The biggest winners of school choice vouchers/credits are the people who are wealthy and already send their kids to private school. The only way I can see what you describe working, ABdel, is with an increase in taxes so as to make every school completely free with a base level of funding locked in for even the worst schools.

    Anyways in my original post I was talking about funding, not regulation anyways, which I think is 2 different things.
     
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    HANDS OFF OUR UNIONS YOU WHITE COLLAR SCUM!
     
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    What are you smoking i don t think there is a single school in EU whose educational program is dictated by EU rather then local government each country has individual ministry of education and individual state education
    why do you think poles teach that they won battle of grunwald and lithuanians teach that they won battle of grunwald
    Europe as a whole is different nations who still have tons of grievances from the past and not a single country is willing to cede their educational system to EU
    and finnish schools are considered most successful in the world as they produce the most educated people in the world atm
    Any european school system is better then what you have in US
    US school system is a laughing stock of the world school systems
    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/innovation/why-are-finlands-schools-successful-49859555/
    http://www.businessinsider.com/finland-education-beats-us-2017-5

    In baltics there are private schools,catholic schools and public schools
    but some public schools are just overall better and more financed then others but not every student can go to them
    basically, if a student has good grades he can go to any public school he wants but if a student is below certain average mark he can t go to the best public schools except if he is living near it and its the closest school for him to attend to
    95% of kids go to public schools trough
    there is only like few private schools and few catholic schools
    germany, on the other hand, has completely different school system model
    and finland has also another school system model
    but the model we use in baltics is most commonly used in EU
     
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    ABDeL rated pona illiterate because he's mad that even Estonia has a better public education system then the US.
     
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    jokes aside estonia is ranked 7th place worldwide in public education system and finland is nr 1
    so you can t really compare a joke system like US to them
     
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    Read my post one more time then read his and you'll realize he was debating against the exact opposite of the point I was making which is that, for the localism = bad argument to be true, you'd find the EU commission in charge of core standard education at the EU level. Rather, what you find is that the member states are able to achieve excellent results when it comes to education at a local level with very little input from the EU.

    Thats why I marked it illiterate, because of a failure to read the point I was making which is apparent in the first sentence I wrote. That would make it an actually correct use of the rating, as opposed to its machine gun-like use from people like, you.
     
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    "European schools aren't successful because the member states ceded their educational programs to central EU political entities"

    which is false
    as neither EU schools aren t successful neither member states ceded their educational program to central eu entity
     
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